chris and sandy's twin boys were just entering high school. when this case is heard, they'll be getting ready to graduate from high school. their moms deserve the same freedom to marry just as everyone else has in this country. >> isn't it true when we had this in the court at the appellate forward nobody came forward because nobody could come up with a justification, compelling reason. you raised it. there's no compelling reason against giving the right to people the right to marriage. >> that's exactly right. important to note in both of these cases, the united states government has refused to defend doma, the federal law before this court. when we filed the case in california, as one has to do, we sued the governor at the time, arnold schwarzenegger and our attorney general at the time, jerry brown, the current governor. both responded by refusing to defend the case and ultimately joined our signed the case and said it was fundamentally and unconstitutional law and they weren't going to defend it. the judge in our case. chief judge von walk